![]() No way Steve! Tolkien was a devout Catholic - dudalbĪnd beleived there was definate moral law.Maybe this shows that Tolkien feels we should decide for ourselves what is the right thing to do not just follow an authority figure. It seems like Treebeard changed his mind and felt it was right to free Saruman. Even Fangorn, a forest that is not dominated by an 'evil' tree like the Old Forest, was not a pleasant place for Merry and Pippin. All the really 'old' woods - and the Watchwood would consist partly of 'old trees' and 'wild trees' as Treebeard says - seem to be not exactly friendly towards two-legged beings. I don't think so - except maybe for elves. So I assume that yes otherwise he would have done as he said. Gandalf implies it was Saruman's magic tongue that got to Treebeard - Banizar Galpsi.Do you think he keeps his other promise to guard Isengard from intruders? Would the Watchwood be a place two-legged types feel welcome in? "The Watchwood we will call it." - Annaelĭespite his avowal to watch Saruman for "seven times the years he tormented us," Treebeard doesn't even keep him for seven months. Thanks for leading a great set of discussions! - NenyaĪs always, I've walked away with a great deal more insight than I entered with.Thanks for leading the discussion! - Idril Celebrindal.Thanks for leading a great discussion again, Annael - Kimi.one in which not a lot of "action" takes place, but in which much of import happens none-the-less! I finally caught up with all the week's work - a great job done by one and all, and an especially good job in drawing some good discussion out of an "interim" chapter, i.e. Maiar." Thanks to everyone who participated this week, it was a great discussion! Post of the week: Idril's masterful commentary on "Maiar vs. The company prepares for the ride to Gondor. The danger at the rear has been eliminated, now it is time to face Sauron. ![]() Treebeard vows to keep watch on Orthanc and Isengard, and the hobbits drink one last drink with him before parting. Grima's aim may have been spoiled by not knowing which wizard he hates most. Saruman, broken, retreats into Orthanc - just as a heavy, shining ball falls from above and nearly hits him. Gandalf breaks Saruman's staff and casts him from the White Council. ![]() He then turns to leave, but Gandalf with a word forces him to come back. He refuses in a tirade of rage, jealousy, and fear. He offers clemency to Saruman, but the head of the Istari has gone too far on his chosen road. But Gandalf is not affected and only laughs. ![]() The others listening feel shut out and afraid. Shifting gears, Saruman now tries to enlist Gandalf, appealing to him wizard to wizard. Saruman loses his temper again and screams at the aged king. ![]() Theoden, who seems to be struggling, finally speaks - and makes it clear that he views Saruman as a hated enemy. First Gimli and then Eomer try to warn the king, earning a sharp answer from Saruman. We suspect his purpose is to turn Theoden against Gandalf once again and ensure his own safety in Rohan. Ignoring Gandalf at first, he tries to seduce Theoden with words. They cross the desolation of Isengard and stand at the door of Orthanc, where Gandalf calls to Saruman to come out. Gandalf invites Aragorn and anyone else who wishes to be present to come witness his attempt to get Saruman to come back to the side of the good guys. 10th Anniversary Celebration: A retrospective on the Reading Roomīook 3 Chapter 10: The Voice of Saruman. ![]()
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